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	<title>Comments on: Classical Music and Improvisation (re: Gabriele Montero)</title>
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		<title>By: Ivan Herman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mark!

Actually… the example you give is closely related to the original blog. Indeed, one of the interesting points about baroque music is that it allows a much greater liberty in interpretation than the music of later ages. The published music contains very few specific instructions on dynamics, speed, etc. Even the choice of instruments is, sometimes, left to the musician (actually, much or the modern instruments did not even exist back then). The result is that there are huge differences in interpretation, greatly influenced by changing traditions, habits, taste. And, actually, there were fierce discussions exactly on that in the past 20-30 years, with some experts trying to research what the “authentic” baroque music interpretation should be. Several generations separate Yo-Yo Ma from Pablo Casals, which means that the huge differences between the two recording is, in fact, not even such a big surprise. Every age had “its” Bach or Vivaldi or Händel…

But, of course, great musicians always prevail, regardless of age and the taste of the time. Bach’s Well Tempered Clavier played by Sviatoslav Richter may be several decades old but it still talks to me just the same as some of the more modern interpretations (like András Schiff&#039;s) do, though they are radically different. (Maybe because I consider myself lucky enough to have heard Richter’s interpretation live in Budapest a long time ago when I was still, hm, young…). 

I do not want to give the false impression that only baroque music gives a freedom in interpretation. This is certainly not true… it just may be more subtle sometimes. But the differences are certainly there and are huge. How and why in spite of the composers’ more precise instructions? I do not know. It is mystery… or magic? Much as we are techies it is good to know that there is something (a lot!) beyond that techie world ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark!</p>
<p>Actually… the example you give is closely related to the original blog. Indeed, one of the interesting points about baroque music is that it allows a much greater liberty in interpretation than the music of later ages. The published music contains very few specific instructions on dynamics, speed, etc. Even the choice of instruments is, sometimes, left to the musician (actually, much or the modern instruments did not even exist back then). The result is that there are huge differences in interpretation, greatly influenced by changing traditions, habits, taste. And, actually, there were fierce discussions exactly on that in the past 20-30 years, with some experts trying to research what the “authentic” baroque music interpretation should be. Several generations separate Yo-Yo Ma from Pablo Casals, which means that the huge differences between the two recording is, in fact, not even such a big surprise. Every age had “its” Bach or Vivaldi or Händel…</p>
<p>But, of course, great musicians always prevail, regardless of age and the taste of the time. Bach’s Well Tempered Clavier played by Sviatoslav Richter may be several decades old but it still talks to me just the same as some of the more modern interpretations (like András Schiff&#8217;s) do, though they are radically different. (Maybe because I consider myself lucky enough to have heard Richter’s interpretation live in Budapest a long time ago when I was still, hm, young…). </p>
<p>I do not want to give the false impression that only baroque music gives a freedom in interpretation. This is certainly not true… it just may be more subtle sometimes. But the differences are certainly there and are huge. How and why in spite of the composers’ more precise instructions? I do not know. It is mystery… or magic? Much as we are techies it is good to know that there is something (a lot!) beyond that techie world <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Birbeck</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting points Ivan.

I&#039;m finding myself increasingly interested in another aspect of this, though, which is the wide variety of ways you can perform the same piece. Years ago a friend gave me Bach&#039;s Cello Suites performed by Pablo Casals. At the time I was not really &#039;into&#039; classical music, so didn&#039;t have much to play, so whenever I did choose to listen to anything, it would invariably be this recording that I reached for.

Over the years I decided to branch out a little more, and from this starting-point I found more cello pieces, and then of course more Bach. (This approach probably shows my techie background. :))

But it was only two or three years ago that I heard other recordings of the Cello Suites! And I have to say I was astounded.

It simply hadn&#039;t occurred to me that there was any point in listening to two versions of the same piece, since I had simply taken for granted that whatever was in a piece, waiting to be unlocked, was intrinsic to the music itself.

But then on a flight I heard Yo-Yo Ma&#039;s version of the Cello Suites, and it might as well have been a different piece altogether. Perhaps it&#039;s because I knew the Casals version so well that the differences struck me so sharply, but at almost every turn something was different.

In some ways an even more striking example -- since it involves only one performer -- is the pair of recordings by Glenn Gould of the Goldberg Variations. Once again, the moment you hear the more recent recording, it leaps out at you that it is different to his earlier one, recorded decades earlier.

Anyway...I&#039;m certainly not saying that music should be constrained, with every note accounted for in the performance, and no room for improvisation. But at the same time, I&#039;m continually struck by the variety that is possible amongst performances, even when they are seemingly following the same railtracks.

All the best,

Mark]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting points Ivan.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m finding myself increasingly interested in another aspect of this, though, which is the wide variety of ways you can perform the same piece. Years ago a friend gave me Bach&#8217;s Cello Suites performed by Pablo Casals. At the time I was not really &#8216;into&#8217; classical music, so didn&#8217;t have much to play, so whenever I did choose to listen to anything, it would invariably be this recording that I reached for.</p>
<p>Over the years I decided to branch out a little more, and from this starting-point I found more cello pieces, and then of course more Bach. (This approach probably shows my techie background. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>But it was only two or three years ago that I heard other recordings of the Cello Suites! And I have to say I was astounded.</p>
<p>It simply hadn&#8217;t occurred to me that there was any point in listening to two versions of the same piece, since I had simply taken for granted that whatever was in a piece, waiting to be unlocked, was intrinsic to the music itself.</p>
<p>But then on a flight I heard Yo-Yo Ma&#8217;s version of the Cello Suites, and it might as well have been a different piece altogether. Perhaps it&#8217;s because I knew the Casals version so well that the differences struck me so sharply, but at almost every turn something was different.</p>
<p>In some ways an even more striking example &#8212; since it involves only one performer &#8212; is the pair of recordings by Glenn Gould of the Goldberg Variations. Once again, the moment you hear the more recent recording, it leaps out at you that it is different to his earlier one, recorded decades earlier.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;I&#8217;m certainly not saying that music should be constrained, with every note accounted for in the performance, and no room for improvisation. But at the same time, I&#8217;m continually struck by the variety that is possible amongst performances, even when they are seemingly following the same railtracks.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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